8 thoughts on “Reminder: bike boulevard ride tomorrow”
It seems like a lot of East-West redundancy here with Glenn and Elm so close. They are pretty calm streets. Calming already pretty calm residential streets seems like spending money on cyclists that aren't really there. I guess it's a wait and see gamble.
Seems like having north-south bike lanes on Oracle, Stone, 6th Ave, Euclid, Park, Mountain, Campbell and Tucson have created a lot of redundancy close together in Tucson's bikeway network. Looks like we spent money on cyclists that aren't really don't exist. But who was calling that a gamble when those went in? Is having Mountain alone enough to meet the north-south needs of the bicycling community? Cog, it's about mobility, options and feeling safe.
Glenn and Elm still carry a lot of cars. They are more appealing than riding on Grant for sure. But they are not likely to be used by the elderly or kids trying to get to school now are they?
Well, I imagine a few kids get to Catalina on Elm/Pima and a few of the other 'collector' streets……. the other routes there (except Mountain) amounted to just paint and maybe lane width adjustment. It was known that Mountain would get a lot of use. As we go along, the price of dressing up the already ridable grid of residential streets goes up trying to coax an unknown number of riders out to use them. Don't get me wrong, I hope it's not an effort of diminishing returns, but the boulevards are a bit of a different accommodation than what's gone before for a previously unaddressed population. I ride some of those streets designated to become boulevards and it strikes me as a little odd that a larger amount has to be spent to make them 'ridable'.
Frank hit it on the head. It's all about options. As a commuter I am definitely welcoming the possibility of having a variety of routes I can take. Right now to get to my friend's house at River and Stone, I backtrack to mountain and go up the river path. Maybe in the future something else would exist to help take a more direct route. These bike boulevards are being set up to create a network so people like the ones you see riding down 3rd street every day can feel comfortable getting around town. I ride down Pima if I want to get somewhere fast. I take a side street if I want to have a pleasant ride where I can talk to my girlfriend on the way to dinner. I fully welcome a good east/west bikeway that allows me to skip riding with Grant.
Now what I'm concerned about is that it gets funded and built BEFORE they rip up Grant for 10 years. I'm sure they won't want us to, and we won't want to be cycling down that road while its under construction.
I haven't been able to make it to any of the Bike Boulevard discussion/comment sessions, but the part that I want from boulevards is safe crossings. Give me a HAWK or a TOUCAN and it's good. The “already rideable grid of residential streets” doesn't mean too much to me if I can't make it across the major streets.
However, I'm at a loss to explain Flower and Copper. It just looks as if those two routes were chosen because they parallel Grant. I think giving Glenn and Pima/Elm the “Mountain Treatment” for a bike thoroughfare (in particular removing the parking on Glenn so the bike lane is a bike lane) would make more sense.
Frank hit it on the head. It's all about options. As a commuter I am definitely welcoming the possibility of having a variety of routes I can take. Right now to get to my friend's house at River and Stone, I backtrack to mountain and go up the river path. Maybe in the future something else would exist to help take a more direct route. These bike boulevards are being set up to create a network so people like the ones you see riding down 3rd street every day can feel comfortable getting around town. I ride down Pima if I want to get somewhere fast. I take a side street if I want to have a pleasant ride where I can talk to my girlfriend on the way to dinner. I fully welcome a good east/west bikeway that allows me to skip riding with Grant.
Now what I'm concerned about is that it gets funded and built BEFORE they rip up Grant for 10 years. I'm sure they won't want us to, and we won't want to be cycling down that road while its under construction.
I haven't been able to make it to any of the Bike Boulevard discussion/comment sessions, but the part that I want from boulevards is safe crossings. Give me a HAWK or a TOUCAN and it's good. The “already rideable grid of residential streets” doesn't mean too much to me if I can't make it across the major streets.
However, I'm at a loss to explain Flower and Copper. It just looks as if those two routes were chosen because they parallel Grant. I think giving Glenn and Pima/Elm the “Mountain Treatment” for a bike thoroughfare (in particular removing the parking on Glenn so the bike lane is a bike lane) would make more sense.
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It seems like a lot of East-West redundancy
here with Glenn and Elm so close. They are
pretty calm streets.
Calming already pretty calm residential
streets seems like spending money on
cyclists that aren't really there.
I guess it's a wait and see gamble.
Seems like having north-south bike lanes on Oracle, Stone, 6th Ave, Euclid, Park, Mountain, Campbell and Tucson have created a lot of redundancy close together in Tucson's bikeway network. Looks like we spent money on cyclists that aren't really don't exist. But who was calling that a gamble when those went in? Is having Mountain alone enough to meet the north-south needs of the bicycling community? Cog, it's about mobility, options and feeling safe.
Glenn and Elm still carry a lot of cars. They are more appealing than riding on Grant for sure. But they are not likely to be used by the elderly or kids trying to get to school now are they?
Well, I imagine a few kids get to Catalina on Elm/Pima
and a few of the other 'collector' streets…….
the other routes there (except Mountain) amounted to
just paint and maybe lane width adjustment. It was
known that Mountain would get a lot of use. As we go
along, the price of dressing up the already ridable grid
of residential streets goes up trying to coax an unknown
number of riders out to use them. Don't get me wrong,
I hope it's not an effort of diminishing returns, but the
boulevards are a bit of a different accommodation than
what's gone before for a previously unaddressed population.
I ride some of those streets designated to become
boulevards and it strikes me as a little odd that a larger
amount has to be spent to make them 'ridable'.
Frank hit it on the head. It's all about options. As a commuter I am definitely welcoming the possibility of having a variety of routes I can take. Right now to get to my friend's house at River and Stone, I backtrack to mountain and go up the river path. Maybe in the future something else would exist to help take a more direct route. These bike boulevards are being set up to create a network so people like the ones you see riding down 3rd street every day can feel comfortable getting around town. I ride down Pima if I want to get somewhere fast. I take a side street if I want to have a pleasant ride where I can talk to my girlfriend on the way to dinner. I fully welcome a good east/west bikeway that allows me to skip riding with Grant.
Now what I'm concerned about is that it gets funded and built BEFORE they rip up Grant for 10 years. I'm sure they won't want us to, and we won't want to be cycling down that road while its under construction.
I haven't been able to make it to any of the Bike Boulevard discussion/comment sessions, but the part that I want from boulevards is safe crossings. Give me a HAWK or a TOUCAN and it's good. The “already rideable grid of residential streets” doesn't mean too much to me if I can't make it across the major streets.
However, I'm at a loss to explain Flower and Copper. It just looks as if those two routes were chosen because they parallel Grant. I think giving Glenn and Pima/Elm the “Mountain Treatment” for a bike thoroughfare (in particular removing the parking on Glenn so the bike lane is a bike lane) would make more sense.
Frank hit it on the head. It's all about options. As a commuter I am definitely welcoming the possibility of having a variety of routes I can take. Right now to get to my friend's house at River and Stone, I backtrack to mountain and go up the river path. Maybe in the future something else would exist to help take a more direct route. These bike boulevards are being set up to create a network so people like the ones you see riding down 3rd street every day can feel comfortable getting around town. I ride down Pima if I want to get somewhere fast. I take a side street if I want to have a pleasant ride where I can talk to my girlfriend on the way to dinner. I fully welcome a good east/west bikeway that allows me to skip riding with Grant.
Now what I'm concerned about is that it gets funded and built BEFORE they rip up Grant for 10 years. I'm sure they won't want us to, and we won't want to be cycling down that road while its under construction.
I haven't been able to make it to any of the Bike Boulevard discussion/comment sessions, but the part that I want from boulevards is safe crossings. Give me a HAWK or a TOUCAN and it's good. The “already rideable grid of residential streets” doesn't mean too much to me if I can't make it across the major streets.
However, I'm at a loss to explain Flower and Copper. It just looks as if those two routes were chosen because they parallel Grant. I think giving Glenn and Pima/Elm the “Mountain Treatment” for a bike thoroughfare (in particular removing the parking on Glenn so the bike lane is a bike lane) would make more sense.
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